I use bitlord, and limewire. Speeds aren't too bad. average 4 to 8 hours for average movie. It's a free movie. DVD's are still $15 bucks for a used one, so, the 100 DVDr's I've got cost me $30 bucks, and the lnternet is about 40, so if I download and burn 4 movies a month, I'm ahead. Oh and got Nero 7 with smartstart off limewire. Works great. Can burn a dvdr to play in my 24.99 dvd player from crappy tire.