2TONE_93GT

haha.. true. u can get a cavi for like $50

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Z28 MeTaL HeAd

Thats not true, u need to get a 2.4L 5-speed z24 3rd gen, so ur looking at at LEAST $500... j/k

seriously though...Bob, ill bet u $500 u CANT make Judges Z24 run 10's for only an extra $300 in mods, and LAST. Im sure it could run 10's BUT will blow up at the end of the quarter...and even than, thats a hard stretch...u think hes got thousands in suspension mods to let the car go 10's?

U can have as much power as u want, but if u cant put it to the ground ur going nowhere fast.

95-98 i believe it is, the 5-spd trannies r made by Isuzu. There garbage, actually, the tranny itself isnt garbage, the differential is.

If there was at LEAST a getrag in there like the 99+ 5-spd, and u werent running the factory ECU ontop of all the mods on the car. I can see the 3rd gen cavy being a GREAT tuner car. But thats the problem, unless u fork the money out for a crazy ultra expensive ECU or go standaloen management, the ecu will never take advantage of boost on those motors, and ull be seeing high 13's at best all day long.

NOTORIOUS VR

PULLING NUMBERS OUT OF YOUR A S S

Not only that, last I've heard/read (<--- theres that dreaded word again Bobby!) the Fastiva is already a low low 13 sec car or high 12 sec car. I know it was in the 13's before he had an intercooler and running stock boost that's for sure.

What actually goes through your head when you reply? Are you really that dense and think... "hmm... Festiva w/ a turbo motor should go, hmmmm, 12's..."

Well no $hit! Of course it's going to go fast. The car itself weighs as much as 1 of the seats in my car!


Fred, I think you should go see Strokerace how much it'll be to get your car to run 10's... It seems to be his lucky number... And since it's only a Festiva, it'll probably only cost you $49.99... Or so I'd guess... I mean... He can build a 10 sec Non-Vtec civic compleate for $7k, a 10 sec Cavi for $3500 (or only $300 if it's already turbo), so u'r car since it's already turbo, under $100 for sure!

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JudgeZ24

really, so whats another 300 gonna get me then bob? please tell me how to make it so that my car reliably runs 12s over and over and over again. anmd by reliably i mean not breaking after a couple visits to the track. i know exactly what itll take to get my car into the 12's from the point its at but id like to know what you think itll need. btw 350 0is pretty much what my entire kit set me back, 3 inch mandrel bent stainless exhaust, charge pipes, complete fuel system including safc, new turbo, big fmic. all the lines fittings and everything out the door was roughly 3500. ive added a couple other things since then but for 3500 the car was drivable and i could tune it, not to mention the fact i got some things cheap or free to help keep the cost down. but then your saying anothre 300 will get me into the 12's. well lets se, not on a stock tire, not on a stock clutch and suspension, well you can use spacers from crappy tire for the rear springs. but i just happen to know that at the power levels im at the stock clutch starts to take a beating and when you get it warm after a few passes it starts to slip. so then comes the tire, stock tires wont get you anywhere, i got into the 13's on a stock clutch and 5 year old crusty ass radials that sit in my garage during the summer. im sure had i gotten more than 3 passes in the car woul dhave gone a mid 13 but no where near a 12 on that setup or with another 300 ontop of that turbo kit.

now id also like a comfortable car so it keeps its interior, as did mine when i went tothe track with it, full interior, 16inch spare inthe trunk, my tool box, power pack, everything that i kept i nthe car on the street stayed in the trunk jt to see what i ran in what i call street trim.

oh one other thing, stock tranny wont get you into the 12's, the new one i baught is stronger, has better gearing and its worth more than the 300 you say you can use.

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JudgeZ24

even the getrags blow up, just not as fast. i popped number 5 at the track at the end of the season, lol. the stock ecu is actually alot better than what people give it credit for in the senes that it adapts to the way you drive. in fact we found when tuning the car withthe safc that as soon as you made a pull the car would override our settings and go back to stock, had to get around that in order to keep the car running at the proper air fuel ratio. the problem with the ecu is that itll start to pul lalot of timing around 15 psi, which can be compensated with either higher octane fuels or alchy/meth/water injection, which will essentially not only cool down the air charge but also has the added bonus that it adds octane to the mix. guess thats about as simple as i can make that so it sound right still. anyways that means you can go over the 15 pounds and the car wont go stupid and start to pull timing to the point where the added boost does nothing.

aside from that though it works great. im either gonna ru na megasquirt or an emanage this year, havent really decided yet but one going inbefore summer if i have it my way

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Strokerace

Yo, wanker, go back and read. No where did I say I could put his car into the 10's. I said 12's, which is not that hard to do on a stock 3.1 and still be a reliable daily driver. It also seems that he has already done everything that I was going to do to the car. It is almost there now, he just needs to get new injectors now. They can handle the 15PSI reliable. Right now, I would say he is just a bad driver.

NOTORIOUS VR

YO WANKER! Does the Cavalier in his sig look like it ever came with a 3.1L V6????? LMFAO!

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JudgeZ24

haha zinngggggg

injectors in the car are 38 pounders, stock are 24's/ like i said, fuel system is done, 255 lph pump, stock is 80, fmu, safc, im fine to ru nwhat i need.

bad driver huh? lets see, i finished the car mid september. i drove around one nite on 4.5 pounds of boost. the first nite out i launched the car against a grandam jut to fist something for fun. i shortly after that went to 7 pounds. tell you though, turning up the boos tlittle by little is alot of fun.

at 7 pounds i ran against a 30th annivresary trans am. first on the hiway and then we ewnt from a dig. second time ever launching the car was at 7 pounds against the t/a. 3rd time ever launching the car was against same t/a on the way back for a rematch, which i won btw.

fro mthere i stopped launching the car because the clutch and tranny wouldnt take much more and i wanted the car to last me til lthe end of the season.

soon aftre that i found 10 pounds to be my cup of tea. 10 pounds is enough to see the tires roast from a 20 kph roll to 80 kph, or a second gear roll on. 13 pounds gets no traction till 110 in tihrd but i didnt hold it there much because i didnt think the tranny would live too long.

so i stayed at 10 pounds of boost, avoiding pushing the car through first, or as i call it, the completely useless gear. second gear id roll into once in a whie but because in the city it would just spin i wouldnt really push it, on the hiway for some reason it holds second gear so anything under 80 kph for a race id go for second.

then came the track day. at this point i had already put on my winter wheels in anticipation of snow. i didnt plan on driving in the snow but incase i got stuck out in out i figured id be ready and not have to again drive on my summer tires.

we go to the track and im on a 5 year old crusty old tire thats been sittig in a field for the most part of its life o na grand am and been used o my car for winters since last year. i tech in, i stage, i run, didnt even let the car cool down. didnt care about the time becaus ei only wanted a mph.

oh i should mention we tuned the car at the dyno shortly before this but i thought my broken downpipe stud was my only leak, turns out the manifold had a cracked weld which anyone who knows anyhting will confirm that this will throw the tuning right out the door for the wideband and kill the power on top of that.

first run was a mid 14 at 104 mph, that was the 4th time ever launching my car.

i staged again right after that, launched the car again and trapped a 102 at a similar et. let the car cool down, aired the old tires down to about 27 pounds and went out again. soft launch, i ended up getting some wheel spin so i said **** it, stayed in it, hit secod sgear spun all of that aswell. pulled a 13.93 at 103 out of that, not bad considering i went from a car that made half the power and that i knew how to drive to this whole new car that layed down ovr 270 wtq on its inital kick to 10 pounds, mind you the boost tapered down to 6.5 psi near the end so the power didnt last but if you figure that at 10 pounds at 3500 rpm i made 270 wtq, and from there my torque climbs another 1000 rpm before dropping, im sure some simple math will help you figure out what i was putting down at 10 pounds.

i decided to go for a 4th pull, lined up, aired the tires down to 24 pounds. forgot about the weak tranny, got greedy, launched hard, car hookd, tranny ble wapart the diff.

now had it not been for the fact the car puked a tranny and had i actually had a little more practice with the car i could have farted out a mid 13 second pass at 10 pounds running down to the mid 10:1 afr according to my fancy wideband guage, maybe even gone a bit faster if i had actually shifted the car hard and not ***** footed about.

now stroker, tell me how you oculd possibly in 2 hours time as you claim install a complete turbo kit? you realize that it takes nearly an hour to drop the oil pan and put it back up on these cars and thts if you hustle, then you have to take off the dip stick, drop the exhaust, remove the manifold, cut off the exuhaust back a bit sonce you cant use it, drill and tap the oil pan, ad a Y fitting to the oil pressure sensor, attach the manifold, attach the turbo to it, which being as tight as it is takes time, run all your oil lines, change the injectors, change the fuel pump, which requires dropping the tank on these cars, install atleast an fmu to control the fuel delivery, and then if you plan on running an intercooler, which youll have to to run any kind of power, and if its as big as mine you need to cut out rebar for it, and you can do all of this in 2 hours?

you know i did evreything myself, my friend came by to help me mount the turbo and only thenbecause he was on acation the week i decided to do it all, but everything minus the piping was done by me. now i figure that since i took my time, drank some beer, ad worked whenever i had a free hour here and there, that ive got in total about 20 hours invested in just the installation, thats not including the day and ahalf the car was inthe shop to get the charge pipes made, or the few hours it spent there getting a 3 inch mandrel bent exhaust built.

now im not being a ****, but id really love to see you build tihs in the 2 hours you claimed you could earlier on. oh btw here are a few pics to give you an idea of how things went along and how tight it gets on these bastards.

im not gonna pst pics but instead the links, as itll keep the dialup people happy.

heres the intercooler, had to take out 2 inches in and 2 inches up of rebar out
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...r/DSCN1736.jpg

the finished charge pipe setup
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...l/DSCN2010.jpg
it runs under the motor because theres jsut a whole lot more room there, i couldbarely fit a filter on the damn thing

top and bottom shot of the turbo and the downpipe
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...l/DSCN2011.jpg
notice the downpip runs under the subframe and not over like it normally does on a stock setup
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...l/DSCN2007.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...l/DSCN1992.jpg

so there you go man, its alt more work then you think it is especially since its not a brand new car where everythings still fresh and not seized.

no i guarantee the car runs better times this year, ive spent some money on it and that includes a stronger clutch and a much stronger tranny thats geared better. i cant say what itll run but ive got a pretty good idea.

not too bad though when you consider that i ran with a complete interior, including backseat and all carpeting, a full size 16 inch spare, my tool box, my powerpack, and a bunch of misc little shit aswell that i dint bother to take out.

sure a 13.9 is nothing to brag about, lots of faster cars especally on here so i dont go and brag about it like its a big thing, but its a step in the right direction for me and from here on the cars only getting faster. ive got vids ill post of the track days if yo uguys wanna see, in the last one you can hear where the tranny comes apart

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JudgeZ24

holy **** thats a novel, lol. wonder how many will actually make it through, thank god ive started using paragraphs. lol

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mark

for a cav thats fast nowone can take that away from you. you put slicks and a stronger rear springs and 12's are there,

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